How We Can End Gender-Based Violence

How We Can End Gender-Based Violence

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>>>GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE. WHY ARE STATES SO BAD AT MAKING IT STOP? MAYBE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MONEY THEY GET FOR PERPETUATING IT. THIS WEEK, IN HER FIRST APPEARANCE SINCE FLEEING BRAZIL, A WOMEN’S RIGHTS ADVOCATE SPEAKS, AND WE TALK WITH ACTIVISM PHILANTHROPISTS ABOUT WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN’T WHEN IT COMES TO STOPPING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS. THAT’S ALL COMING UP ON THE LAURA FLANDERS SHOW; THE PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY IT CAN’T BE DONE TAKE A BACK SEAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT. WELCOME. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>>GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. IT UNDERMINES THE HEALTH, DIGNITY, SECURITY, AND AUTONOMY OF ITS VICTIMS. IT KNOWS NO SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, OR NATIONAL LIMITS. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS AND ANYONE PERCEIVED AS VULNERABLE ON THE BASIS OF THEIR GENDER IS AS OLD AS THE HILLS. EVEN AS YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE, GOVERNMENTS AND NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS ALIKE PLEDGE TO STOP IT. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT A LOT OF WELL-FUNDED EFFORTS JUST DON’T WORK? MIGHT THEY EVEN BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE? IT’S POSSIBLE. BUT, AS THEY SAY, THERE IS HOPE. SOMEHOW, AGAINST ALL ODDS, SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE DOING SOME PRETTY EFFECTIVE WORK. HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND THE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS ARE KAVITA N. RAMDAS, AFTER YEARS OF FOUNDATION WORK, AS WELL AS ACTIVISM, SHE KNOWS THE WORLD OF PHILANTHROPY FROM THE INSIDE AND OUT. SHE CURRENTLY HEADS UP THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS PROGRAM AT THE OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATIONS. TERRY MCGOVERN DIRECTS THE PROGRAM ON GLOBAL HEALTH JUSTICE AND GOVERNANCE AT THE COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY MAILMAN SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. SHE’S JUST BACK FROM A FACT FINDING VISIT TO BEIRUT. DEBRA DENISE IS DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE RIGHTS AND JUSTICE UNIT FOR THE INTERNATIONAL PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION, WESTERN HEMISPHERE REGION. SHE WAS RECENTLY DRIVEN INTO EXILE AFTER RECEIVING DEATH THREATS IN HER HOME IN BRAZIL. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN AND I PARTICULARITY APPRECIATE YOU, DEBRA, FOR BEING WILLING TO TALK ON THE PROGRAM. JUST TO CLARIFY FOR PEOPLE, WHY DID YOU LEAVE BRAZIL? WHAT ARE YOU UP AGAINST? WHEN DID IT START AND WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THREATS THAT YOU’VE BEEN FACING? >>>TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ME, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS THE NEW PRESIDENT OF BRAZIL. SO BOLSONARO IS HIS NAME AND IN PLAY SINCE LAST JANUARY. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRUMP, WE NEED TO THINK THAT TRUMP IS BOLSONARO FROM THE SOUTH. IT’S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO, HE MADE HIS CAREER MAKING MISOGYNISTS, RACISTS, AND AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS. SO, IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT I WAS IN THE CENTER OF A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, TO DECRIMINALIZE ABORTION IN BRAZIL. ABORTION IS AGAINST THE LAW, WOMEN GO TO JAIL, AND I WAS IN LEADING A MOVEMENT TO CHANGE THE LEGISLATION AT THE SUPREME COURT. SO, IT WAS A COINCIDENCE LAST YEAR WHEN HE STARTED HIS RACE TO THE PRESIDENCY AND THEY STARTED TO SEND ME DEATH THREATS. >>>SO TO PUT A POINT ON IT, YOU HAPPENED TO BE WORKING ON THIS WORK OF DECRIMINALIZING, AS THE BOLSONARO CAMPAIGN IS HEATING UP. >>>YES. >>>DEATH THREATS START COMING.>>>SO, I’M DESCRIBED AS THE FIRST EXILED PERSON FROM BRAZIL. BUT MY POINT IS THAT IT’S JUST THE NUMBER ONE BECAUSE HUMAN RIGHTS IS AT THE CENTER OF HIS BATTLE. IT’S A CULTURAL BATTLE AGAINST DEMOCRACY AND THERE IS A CORE AGENDA THAT IS ANTI-WOMEN, ANTI-GENDER, ANTI LGBT POPULATIONS. SO IN MY CASE, I HAD THIS SENSITIVE ISSUE FOR MANY PEOPLE THAT IS ABORTION. BUT I MEAN, IT’S NOT PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL, IT’S ABOUT THAT IN THE SOUTH. AND I WAS LEADING THAT CASE SO I WAS A FACE IN THE PUBLIC SPECTRUM. >>>AND WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE THREATS, IF YOU DON’T MIND ME ASKING, AND WHO DID THEY COME FROM?>>>YEAH, IT’S REALLY SCARY BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST ME, MY HUSBAND, MY FAMILY, AND THEY DIDN’T STOP. SO EVEN NOT BEING IN BRAZIL ANYMORE, I KEEP RECEIVING THEM AND IT’S A MIX OF CONCRETE DESCRIPTIONS OF HOW THEY WILL KILL ME, MY PARENTS, MY BROTHERS, MY SISTERS, MY HUSBAND. BUT ALSO, I WOULD SAY IN A LANGUAGE, JUST SAYING, I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE WALKING NOW. WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE NOW. SO, AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU CAN SAY “IT’S JUST TO PUT YOU IN FEAR. IT’S JUST TO PARALYZE YOU. IT’S JUST TO STOP DOING WHAT YOU DO.” IT’S SOMETHING CONCRETE. IT’S MASS SHOOTING AT THE UNIVERSITY WHERE THEY USE IT TO WALK. SO HOW TO HANDLE THAT BALANCE THAT CONSIDERING THERE’S SOMETHING SERIOUS HERE BUT IS NOT STOPPING. BUT NOT PARALYZING. >>>DID YOU HAVE QUALMS ABOUT COMING ON THIS SHOW?>>>I CONSIDERED POLICE BEFORE COMING HERE. I CONSIDERED GROUP OF LAWYERS AND IT’S THE FIRST TIME THAT I’M SPEAKING IN PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. >>>YOU HAVE A HYPOTHESIS, TERRY, ABOUT WHY VIOLENCE ON THE BASIS OF GENDER CONTINUES TO BE BOTH SO RAMPANT, SO DEADLY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SO FUNDED, KIND OF. TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND WHAT TOOK YOU TO BEIRUT. >>>SO, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THAT IT’S JUST, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BUT ALSO I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS INCREDIBLE RESPECT FOR DEBRA. YOU FIND PEOPLE LIKE HER ALL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WORKING ON GENDER BASED VIOLENCE SO ALTHOUGH WE’RE GOING TO SAY A LOT OF KIND OF COMPLEX, DIFFICULT THINGS, THERE’S ALSO INCREDIBLE HOPE IN THESE WOMEN ALL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND GIRLS WHO ARE DOING THIS WORK SO YOU ARE A BIG EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PATRIARCHY IS VERY COMPLICATED. ITS LAWS, ITS CULTURE, ITS MANIPULATION OF ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND THERE’S BEEN KIND OF A TENDENCY FROM DONORS TO KIND OF LAND ON “EDUCATION IS THE ANSWER” OR “ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IS THE ANSWER” >>>”GUNS ARE THE ANSWER”.>>>EXACTLY. OFTEN IGNORING KIND OF THE STRUCTURAL FACTORS THAT ARE AFFECTING WOMEN AND GIRLS. SO, WHEN YOU BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT’S BEING FUNDED, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU’RE PARTNERING, IF YOU’RE FUNDING THROUGH MANY GOVERNMENTS, THEN YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING EFFORTS TO CHANGE LAWS.>>>WHY SO? EXPLAIN. >>>BECAUSE THE U.N. IS BASICALLY, THEIR CLIENT IS THE GOVERNMENT. RIGHT? SO, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THE GOVERNMENT. SO, IN MANY COUNTRIES, YOU HAVE BIG PROBLEMS WITH LAW. PERSONAL STATUS LAW, RELIGIOUS LAW. AND IT’S AT THE CORE OF KIND OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON. SO, IF YOU JUST GO IN AND GIVE THE GIRL EDUCATION OR YOU JUST GO IN AND GIVE HER A CASH TRANSFER.>>OR A MICRO->>RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT’S NOT FIXING THE LARGER SET OF ISSUES. SO, I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY COURAGEOUS DONORS WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET AT THIS NOW AND FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS COMPLEX INTERACTING DYNAMIC THAT PRODUCE GENDER BASED VIOLENCE? WE HAVEN’T SEEN A DECREASE, IN FACT, IT’S WORSE AND WORSE. SO IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON. WHY AREN’T WE SEEING CHANGES? HOW DO WE EMPOWER PEOPLE LIKE DEBRA ON THE GROUND WHO HAVE AMAZING IDEAS? WHAT IS BLOCKING THEM FROM GETTING RESOURCES?>>>ALRIGHT, SO KAVITA, YOU’VE WORKED IN MANY OF THESE FOUNDATIONS. YOU’RE WORKING AT ANOTHER ONE NOW. AGREE? DISAGREE? BAD?>>>ACTUALLY, I WOULD DISTINGUISH FOUNDATIONS FROM THE BIGGER SOURCE OF QUOTE ON QUOTE AID, INTERNATIONALLY, IS NOT FROM FOUNDATIONS AT ALL ACTUALLY, IT COMES FROM WHAT WE CALL BILATERAL OR MULTILATERAL AID. SO, IT IS GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT TRANSFERS OR GOVERNMENT TO MULTI GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE U.N. TRANSFERS AND THOSE ARE MUCH LARGER IN TERMS OF TOTALS AMOUNTS AND ACTUALLY, THERE IS WHERE TERRY’S POINT ABOUT SOME INDICATIONS OF CHANGE, MOST RECENTLY, THE DUTCH GOVERNMENT MADE A SERIES OF INVESTMENTS IN WOMEN’S FUNDS. FEMINIST FUNDS AND WOMEN’S FUNDS WERE CREATED BY WOMEN. THE FIRST ONE IN THE UNITED STATES IN 1972, THE MS. FOUNDATION FOR WOMEN BY GLORIA STEINEM AND OTHERS, BECAUSE, IN FACT, THEY SAW THAT MAINSTREAM PHILANTHROPY WAS NOT PUTTING MONEY DIRECTLY INTO THE HANDS OF SMALL GRASS ROOTS ORGANIZATIONS. I WORKED FOR FOURTEEN YEARS AT THE GLOBAL FUND FOR WOMEN AND IT ALSO WAS CREATED AS A RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT, IN FACT, MANY TIMES THE KINDS OF SUPPORT THAT ANISE, WHICH IS THE ORGANIZATION DEBRA LEADS AND LED AND FOUNDED IN BRAZIL, DON’T AND CAN’T ABSORB FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS OR TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS BUT MAY NEED TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAY NEED TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY NEED IT IN WAYS THAT DON’T LIMIT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO USE IT IN THE WAYS THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT. SO, I THINK THE FIRST THING I’D SAY IS THAT WHEN YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THE BEST WAY IN WHICH TO GET RESOURCES INTO THE HANDS OF ACTIVISTS ON THE GROUND IS TO ACTUALLY USE A MUCH MORE DEMOCRATIC MEANS OF PHILANTHROPY THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WHICH IS A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PRIMARILY WHITE MEN WHO HAVE MADE FORTUNES THROUGH AN EXTREMELY UNJUST AND UNEQUAL ECONOMIC SYSTEM. IF THEY REMAIN IN CONTROL OF THOSE RESOURCES THEN NO MATTER HOW WONDERFUL AN INDIVIDUAL PROGRAM OFFICER WOULD BE, AND TERRY AND I BOTH WORKED PRIOR TO THIS AT THE FORD FOUNDATION, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH ALLIES IN A DIFFERENT VISION OF THAT. >>>AND WE BELIEVE IN TRICKLE UP FUNDS AND TRICKLE UP JUSTICE AND ALL OF THAT BUT WHAT I’M HEARING FROM YOU TERRY, AND FROM YOU DEBRA, IS IF YOU DON’T ADDRESS THIS SUPER STRUCTURE–>>>CORRECT. >>>IN WHICH THESE GROUPS ARE WORKING, YOU COULD DO FANTASTIC WORK, HAVE FANTASTIC FUNDING, AND STILL BE DRIVEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY BY–>>>ABSOLUTELY. >>>DEATH THREATS. RIGHT? SO, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REQUEST? WHAT MIGHT HAVE MADE YOUR SITUATION DIFFERENT, DEBRA? >>>I THINK THAT I HAVE TO MAKE A BALANCE HERE. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LATIN AMERICA IN GENERAL, IT’S A KIND OF LAB. AS A RESPONSE, THERE’S TWO THINGS I WOULD REDUCE HERE. ONE IS PURPLIST TO WAVE IN THE GLOBE. IT’S NOT JUST HERE BUT IT’S LATIN AMERICA IS A LAB. ALSO BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE TO THE FOUNDATIONS DECISIONS IN THE LAST DECADE WHEN WE HEARD THAT LATIN AMERICA WAS NOT A PRIORITY TO GLOBAL AID OR TO GLOBAL PHILANTHROPY BECAUSE WE WERE IN A GOOD POSITION AND BRAZIL WAS A KEY EXAMPLE OF THAT. IT’S ALMOST A CONTINENT AND WE HEARD THAT WE ARE NOT A PRIORITY ANYMORE BECAUSE IT MADE LEVEL IN COUNTRY AND DEVELOPMENT. AND IT’S THAT, IT’S A RESPONSE FROM THE INSIDE AND WE ARE IN A REGION THAT WITH ALL RESPECT TO RELIGIONS, WE HAVE A COLONIZATION OF EVANGELICALS AND CATHOLICS IN POWER. SO AT THE CORE OF OUR DISCUSSION CONNECTED TO WHERE THE MONEY GOES, WE NEED A DISCUSSION ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND DEMOCRATIC- >>>I ACTUALLY HAD A CHANCE TO INTERVIEW THE OPPOSITION TO BOLSONARO, WHO SAID THE U.S. WAS NOT UNCONNECTED TO THE GROWTH, ESPECIALLY OF PENTECOSTAL–>>>ABSOLUTELY >>>PRESENCE IN BRAZIL. YOU WERE JUST BACK FROM BEIRUT. WHY AND WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT BEIRUT AND LEBANON AND TUNISIA AS YOUR TWO, SORT OF, TEST SUBJECTS.>>>SO THAT’S ACTUALLY JUST THE PLACE WE’RE STARTING BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THERE ALREADY. I MEAN, JUST TO SAY, YOU SEE THE EVANGELICAL PRESENCE EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO NOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST IN KENYA AND–>>>BUT IT DOESN’T JUST MAGICALLY APPEAR.>>>NO. BUT I MEAN IT’S–>>>IT’S ACROSS INDIA, IT’S IN HAITI. IT’S, I MEAN, IT IS A HUGE AND GROWING PRESENCE. >>>AND THEY’RE MOBILIZING ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION. THEY’RE MOBILIZING AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS, DEMOCRACY,–>>>WHAT THEY CALL GENDER IDEOLOGY.>>>WHICH WE DID A SHOW ABOUT JUST RECENTLY. >>>SO THEY WILL BE THERE. SO BEIRUT OR LEBANON HAS A PERSONAL STATUS LAW. SO, WOMEN AND GIRLS, THEY CAN’T GET DIVORCED. SO HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT A STRATEGY AROUND GENDER BASED VIOLENCE WHERE YOU STILL DON’T HAVE BASIC RIGHTS AROUND CONTROL AND THAT’S AN EXAMPLE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN AMAZING CAMPAIGNS AND A LOT OF VICTORIES BUT LEBANON RIGHT NOW IS, IT HAS A SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS, IT’S HAD A PALESTINIAN REFUGEE CRISIS, THEY’RE OVERRUN. TALK ABOUT WHERE IS THE MONEY, THEY’RE OVERRUN BY THE HUMANITARIAN SECTOR COMING IN TO STUDY, YOU KNOW, OR PROVIDE RELIEF BUT ARE THEY GOING TO PROVIDE SAFE ABORTIONS TO WOMEN AND GIRLS WHO EXPERIENCE SEXUAL VIOLENCE? THESE ISSUES ARE ALL SO CONNECTED. YOU CAN’T TALK ABOUT GENDER BASED VIOLENCE AND NOT TALK ABOUT ABORTION, ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTION, YOUR RIGHTS TO GET DIVORCED.>>>YOUR RIGHTS IN THE WORK PLACE. >>>RIGHT, EXACTLY. SO, I THINK, OBVIOUSLY BEIRUT IS A VERY INTERESTING EXAMPLE. LONG HISTORY OF ACTIVISM. IT IS CAUGHT IN THIS KIND OF GLOBAL SITUATION. THIS REFUGEE CRISIS. IT’S OVERRUN BY SOME NEW DONORS WHO DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CONTEXT SO THAT’S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. I MEAN, YOU CAN’T SAY THIS WORKS IN THIS COUNTRY AND THEN SLAP IT INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY. YOU CAN’T USE A TOOL KIT FOR GENDER BASED VIOLENCE THAT’S GOING TO WORK EVERYWHERE AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT SOME OF THE FUNDING HAS BEEN REDUCED TO. NOT ALL OF IT, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE’S BRILLIANT SMALL DONORS BUT–>>>I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE TO JUST QUICKLY DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF IMMEDIATE THREAT SITUATION. IF WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THOSE REFUGEES INTO A SAFE PLACE, WE WILL. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE TAKE THAT APPROACH.>>>OF COURSE BUT I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING DEBRA MENTIONED ABOUT THIS KIND OF WHOLE MIDDLE INCOME COUNTRY NONSENSE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A CLASSIC THING LIKE OH, NOW COUNTRIES ARE IN MIDDLE INCOME STATUS. WE DON’T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM. WE JUST FOUGHT AND WON. WE, WOMEN’S MOVEMENTS, GLOBALLY, A BATTLE THAT WAS FOUGHT IN A MIDDLE TO HIGH INCOME COUNTRY. NAMELY IRELAND. THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS PROGRAMS AT THE OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATION WAS ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CAMPAIGN FOR YEARS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH SMALL GRANTS TO BE ABLE TO HELP WOMEN ORGANIZING AND IRELAND IS NOT A POOR COUNTRY BUT WE KNEW THAT ACTUALLY IF THERE WASN’T SUPPORT AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE REALLY FOUND OURSELVES THE SOLE SUPPORTER OF THAT WORK BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE SAID, WELL, THIS IS NOT AFRICA. THIS IS NOT INDIA. THIS IS NOT… SO, YOU KNOW. BUT IF THAT FIGHT HAD NOT BEEN FOUGHT, THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR MANY CATHOLIC COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND MANY NON-CATHOLIC COUNTRIES, WOULD HAVE BEEN PROFOUND AND SO I THINK DEBRA’S POINT FOR US AS, CERTAINLY AS PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY, TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND TO SEE THAT THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SO CALLED MIDDLE INCOME COUNTRIES TO ACTUALLY FIGHT AND WIN BATTLES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THE POTENTIAL THEN TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD AND I HOPE MORE OF US CAN BEGIN TO STEP UP.>>>THAT’S AN EXCELLENT POINT. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURS TO ME IS MOST OF THESE COUNTRIES ARE NOT MIDDLE INCOME WOMEN’S COUNTRIES. >>>THANK YOU. YES. >>>WHO IS GETTING THIS MIDDLE INCOME HERE? SO GO BACK TO SOME OF THE MODELS THAT ARE WORKING. I MEAN, I’D LOVE TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU BUT YOU’VE JUST COME BACK TERRY. IF YOU HAD YOUR DRUTHERS, WHAT WOULD YOU SEE PHILANTHROPY, AID, ALL OF US DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS?>>>WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT’S JUST EMBRACE COMPLEXITY. DON’T LOOK FOR A SINGLE STRATEGY, RIGHT? DON’T JUST SAY WE’RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS. AND THEN, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS IN PHILANTHROPY.>>>TWO YEARS ON WOMEN. >>>RIGHT. >>>THREE YEARS ON GIRLS.>>>WELL, NO, WE’VE DECIDED IT’S ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. NO, WE’VE DECIDED IT’S EDUCATION. NO, WE’VE DECIDED IT’S CASH TRANSFERS. AND EVERYBODY MOVES OVER TO THAT.>>>THE POINT BEING THAT WE’VE DECIDED- >>>YEAH, WELL, I MEAN IT’S A LITTLE BIT OF A PILE ON WHEN THE BIG DONORS DECIDE THIS IS THE STRATEGY WE’RE GOING TO FOLLOW. AND I JUST THINK IT’S A MIX OF STRATEGIES, FOR SURE, AND THE POINT ABOUT IT BEING TIED TO DEMOCRACY IS CRITICAL. >>>YEAH BUT I WOULD ADD, BESIDES KNOWING THAT IT’S COMPLEXITY, EMBRACING QUESTIONS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT IT’S ALSO QUESTIONING WHERE THE EXPERTS ARE BASED. IS IT HERE OR THERE? SO IT’S A FEMINIST SHIFT THAT WE NEED IN OUR PHILANTHROPY. BUT AT SOMETIMES, YOU CANNOT EVEN TALK ABOUT GENDER. SOME COUNTRIES, YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT GENDER AT UNIVERSITIES ANYMORE. >>>THEY’VE BEEN CLOSING DOWN GENDER STUDIES PROGRAMS–>>>CAN YOU IMAGINE? >>>ACROSS EASTERN EUROPE. IT’S REALLY IRONIC, AT THE OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATIONS, THE FIRST WOMEN’S RIGHTS PROGRAM WAS FUNDING GENDER STUDIES PROGRAMS IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION. AND NOW, MANY COUNTRIES ACROSS EASTERN EUROPE ARE CLOSING DOWN GENDER STUDIES PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT IT IS PROMOTING AN ANTI-FAMILY IDEOLOGY. ONE CONCERN I HAVE AROUND THE COMPLEXITY, THE UNWILLINGNESS TO EMBRACE COMPLEXITY, AND I RECENTLY WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, YOU KNOW, SO KNOW YOU SEE COCA-COLA AND PEPSI AND UNILEVER AND EXXONMOBIL AND ALL THESE COMPANIES. THEY ALL WANT TO QUOTE UNQUOTE EMPOWER GIRLS AND SOMETIMES EMPOWER GIRLS AND WOMEN. BUT, I THINK THAT THE QUESTION AROUND THAT IS, WHEN YOU ON THE ONE HAND ARE PAYING WORKERS A PITTANCE IN YOUR FOR PROFIT COMPANY AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU’RE RUNNING A PROGRAM TO EMPOWER THEM TO TEACH THEM ABOUT BEING BEATEN UP AT HOME. WOMEN CAN SEE THROUGH THAT IN A HEARTBEAT. YOU KNOW, YOU TALK TO THE INTERNATIONAL DOMESTIC WORKERS FEDERATION AND THEY WILL TELL YOU, WHERE ARE ALL THESE COMPANIES TO STAND UP FOR DECENT WAGES FOR WOMEN? SO THAT IS ALSO A FORM OF VIOLENCE, WHICH I THINK WE DON’T OFTEN– PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK ABOUT VIOLENCE IN KIND OF VERY NEAT LOOKING BOXES AND WHAT THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND IS THERE IS ECONOMIC VIOLENCE BEING PERPETRATED ON WOMEN ALL THE TIME. >>>GENDER WASHING WON’T FLY.>>>YES. >>>TO COME BACK, I’M THINKING OF A WONDERFUL MENTOR I HAD FOR MANY YEARS, VIVIAN STROMBERG, WHO WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDER OF MADRE, I KNOW YOU’RE ON THE BOARD FOR THIS ORGANIZATION THAT WORKED WITH WOMEN IN CENTRAL AMERICA DURING THE PERIOD OF THE CENTRAL AMERICAN WARS. SHE WOULD SAY, YEAH WE’RE STOPPING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS. WE’RE FOR EMPOWERMENT. BUT SOMETIMES ON THE GROUND, THAT MEANT DIGGING A WELL OR HELPING SOMEBODY BUY A TRUCK.>>>THAT’S THE COMPLEXITY ISSUE.>>>SO, IF WE WERE TO SAY WHERE DID THAT FIFTY DOLLARS GO IN THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS? WHERE WOULD THEY PUT IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT?>>>YEAH. YES, TOTALLY. I MEAN THE SILOED, KIND OF… IT’S THE STANDARDS EMANATING FROM THE GLOBAL NORTH, FRANKLY, IS ONE ISSUE. AND THEN SECONDLY, IT’S, YOU KNOW, IT’S GOING TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT NEED TO BE IMPACTED THAT ARE IN PLAY. AND THEY’VE BEEN LIKE OH, WELL THAT’S HUMANITARIAN AND THIS IS GENDER BASED VIOLENCE AND THIS IS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT’S HUMAN RIGHTS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST NOT WORKING.>>>SO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE FROM YOUR MOST RECENT TRIP IN TERM OF THE INNOVATIONS COMING FROM THE GROUND OR THE COMPROMISES AND COMPLEXITY OF THE WORK ON THE GROUND. >>>WELL, I MEAN, THERE ARE AMAZING GROUPS THAT WANT TO REALLY TAKE ON THIS PERSONAL STATUS LAW. THEY NEED FUNDING FOR A FLEXIBLE RESOURCEFUL CAMPAIGN THAT TAKES FROM THE WORK IN IRELAND. THAT LOOKS AT WHAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THEY DON’T WANT TO JUST WORK ON EARLY MARRIAGE OR JUST WORK ON, YOU KNOW, THE SIX THINGS YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM. THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO FIGURE IT OUT AS THEY GO AND HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND FUNDING TO AMEND THE STRATEGY BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE VERY DYNAMIC.>>>YEAH AND I HAVE A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE ALSO AND IT WAS SPONSORED BY OPEN SOCIETY AND IPPF. WHEN ZIKA ARRIVED, YEAH, INTERNATIONAL PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION, THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE WHERE I’M NOW BASED. SO, WHEN ZIKA, THE EPIDEMIC OF ZIKA, VIRUS, ARRIVED IN LATIN AMERICA, IT WAS, OF COURSE, AT THE CENTER OF THE DISCUSSION: THE MOSQUITO. NOT THE WOMEN. SO IT WAS BIG MOSQUITO AND SAYING RISK. SO WE TOOK SOME TIME TO SAY WE NEED TO PUT WOMEN AND GIRLS AT THE CENTER OF OUR CONVERSATION. BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH. SO WE NEED TO REFRAME EVERYTHING. BUT WE NEED ALSO TO BUILD AND ECOSYSTEM MINDSET TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE WORKED. BECAUSE IF THAT WOMEN DECIDED TO HAVE THE BABY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT CHOICES, WE NEED TO MAKE A CONNECTION WITH THE DISABILITY MOVEMENT. >>>WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL PROTECTION. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CASH BENEFIT TRANSFER. AND YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT ABORTION. SO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT TRADITIONALLY DO NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER. BECAUSE THOSE WHO SPONSOR DISABILITY GROUPS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY ARE FAITH BASED GROUPS. SO, HOW TO MANAGE CHANGING THE WAY THAT WE WORK WITH GROUPS.>>>SO HOW DO WE MANAGE, PARTICULARLY IN A MEDIA CULTURE, WHICH AS YOU’RE SAYING ALL OF THIS I’M THINKING THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM EXISTS IN THE MEDIA, THAT WE HAVE NICHE COVERAGE. WOMEN OVER HERE AND CHILDREN OVER HERE. DISABILITY OVER HERE. MOSTLY WE TALK ABOUT POLITICIANS BUT NOT AS THEY RELATE TO ANY OF THOSE ETC, ETC. >>>WELL LAURA, YOU’LL BE AMUSED, I’VE BEEN ON A BIT OF A TEAR INSIDE THE FOUNDATION RECENTLY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE THINK ABOUT INTERSECTIONAL GENDER JUSTICE AND I’VE BEEN TOLD IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OH, YOU’RE USING JARGON AND MY POLITE RESPONSE IS YOU KNOW, WE’VE BEEN USING THE JARGON OF MEN FOR SOME THREE THOUSAND YEARS NOW. YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO USE THE WORD INTERSECTIONAL AND THIS IS ALL THAT IT MEANS, IT MEANS THIS, WHAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS, AUDREY LORDE PUT IT BEAUTIFULLY. SHE SAID WE DON’T LIVE SINGLE ISSUE LIVES SO HOW COULD WE HAVE SINGLE ISSUE MOVEMENT? AND I WOULD ADD, HOW CAN WE HAVE SINGLE ISSUE FUNDING? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED LIFE IN COMMUNITIES TO SAY THAT A WOMEN WHO IS EXPERIENCING A DISEASE CAUSED BY A MOSQUITO IS NOT ALSO A WOMAN WHO IS STRUGGLING WITH UNFAIR WAGES OR A WOMAN WHO IS NOT STRUGGLING WITH LACK OF ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE OR A WOMAN WHO ISN’T STRUGGLING WITH PERHAPS INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND I THINK IT IS WHEN WE STOP BEING WILLING TO HOLD THAT COMPLEXITY WHICH TERRY POINTED OUT, THAT THEN WE GET INTO TROUBLE AND I WAS RECENTLY TALKING TO LYDIA ALPIZAR WHO RUNS THE ASSOCIATION MESOAMERICAN INITIATIVE FOR WOMEN HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS AND SHE GAVE A PAINFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW MAINSTREAM HUMAN RIGHTS PROTECTION ORGANIZATIONS FAIL TO BRING A GENDER LENS TO THEIR WORK. SO THEY HAD PICKED UP A WOMAN FROM HONDURAS TO SAVE HER FROM THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS EXPERIENCING AS A WOMAN HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDER IN HONDURAS. THEY PICKED HER UP AND THEY TOOK HER TO SPAIN WITH HER FAMILY BUT FAILED TO REALIZE THAT SHE WAS ALSO A VICTIM OF UNBELIEVABLE VIOLENCE. SHE WAS MURDERED BY HER HUSBAND TWO MONTHS AFTER THEY ARRIVED IN SPAIN. >>>TERRY. WE OFTEN ASK PEOPLE ON THE SHOW, WHAT WILL BE THE STORY THE FUTURE TELLS OF THIS MOMENT?>>>I THINK WE ARE GETTING SMARTER AND MUCH MORE STRATEGIC AND IF WE ALLOW THE WOMEN AND GIRLS AT THE COUNTRY LEVEL TO LEAD AND WE USE OUR BEST BRAINS, WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT BUT A KEY PIECE OF IT IS THE DONOR PIECE BUT THERE’S MANY OTHER PIECES. SO, I THINK, AGAIN I ALWAYS FEEL A LOT OF HOPE BUT THINGS NEED TO CHANGE AND YES. >>>TERRY, DEBRA, KAVITA. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. YOU GIVE ME HOPE FOR SURE.>>>THANK YOU. >>>YOU’RE WATCHING THE LAURA FLANDERS SHOW. YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION AT OUR WEBSITE. THAT’S LAURAFLANDERS.ORG. THANKS. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪

3 comments

  1. Given women acc to the NCVS instigate most domestic violence, that lesbian partner violence is the most common form of IPV, and that women commit the overwhelming majority of violence against children, according to every annual Child Maltreatment report ever published–ending IPV and gender-based violence does indeed start with women. Bravo.

  2. You say gender based violence, but then say it is all about the vulnerable and the suffering of women and girls.

    Let's not generalise from non-western countries to the west. In the west things are different. Maybe one of the reasons that government efforts to end it start with that faulty analysis.

    Women are more likely to hit the partners than women:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

    And women are more controlling in intimate relationships than men:
    https://www.medicaldaily.com/domestic-violence-against-men-women-more-likely-be-intimate-terrorists-controlling-behavior-290662

    Maybe stop applying a simplistic analysis that appeals to women who have been traumatised, since society does listen (maybe not enough) to female victims, but almost totally ignores male victims.

    DV stems from dysfunctional relationships. We need to have the intellectual humility to ask the questions that some people with gender based ideologies assume they already know the answers to.

  3. I appreciate the discussion of how donations/donors need to be more democratic than they are now. The woman from India was inspiring, the woman from Beirut was cool for middle east info about activism within a warzone, and the woman from Brazil was helpful for discussion how Catholicism interacts with activism. I feel this is merely a summary, but this was helpful, so thank you.

    As for the other commentators complaining about lack of discussion on how macho culture hurts men, it's like since women are also victims we still count. Also there's the fact that women are disenfranchised so that suck.

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